Is the Catholic Church RICH or POOR?!?!

 Exposing the nonsense of deluded Catholics who think that their Church isn’t rich

by Ibn Anwar

“Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you
possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21)

“Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” (Matthew19:24)

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  It is no mystery to non-Catholics that the Roman Catholic Church is one of the richest religious organisations in the world. Despite the overwhelming facts on this one may still come across jokers such as this Catholic missionary:

“I was recently in Rome where I saw the restoration of the Sistine Chapel. I could not take photos in there because a Japanese company owned the copyright. The Vatican didn’t have enough money in the budget to restore the Sistine Chapel so a Japanese company did it in exchange for the copyright privileges.” (David McD, Isn’t the Church Rich?)

David McD runs a comprehensive Catholic apologetics and travels around the world propagating Catholocism through music.

In the essay he tries to defend the Church against accusations of it being overly wealthy. The first excuse he gives as seen in the quotation above is that recently the Sistine Chapel had to be restored but the Church couldn’t pay, so this was substituted with copyright privileges. What a thin excuse! May I offer an alternative perspective? Perhaps, the reason why the Catholic couldn’t pay or rather reluctant to pay was because it has had to pay the following amount to rape victims by its Church officers(ministers, priests etc.)? :

January 15, 2007 Diocese of Charleston Bishop Robert J. Baker agreed to pay $12 million to settle numerous cases concerning abuse by priests.(News Link)

In December 2006 the Archdiocese of Los Angeles (its archbishop was Roger Cardinal Mahony) agreed to a payout of $60 million to settle 45 of the over 500 pending cases concerning abuse by priests.(News Link)

 In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles agreed to pay a $660 million settlement to hundreds of people who claimed to have been abused by clergy. (News Link)

In September 2003 the Archdiocese of Boston agreed to pay out $85 million to 552 victims.(News Link)

In 1997 the Diocese of Dallas negotiated a $31 million settlement with victims.(News Link)

In June 2003 the Archdiocese of Louisville made a $25.7 million settlement involving 240 victims of sexual abuse.(News Link)

On January 3, 2005 Bishop Tod Brown of the Diocese of Orange apologized to 87 alleged victims of sexual abuse and announced a settlement of $100 million following two years of mediation.(News Link)

In December 2006 the Diocese of Phoenix agreed to pay $100,000 to William Cesolini, who claimed he was sexually assaulted as a teenager by a priest.(News Link)

In Canada the Christian Brothers have paid out approximately $35 million (Canadian) in compensation.[49]
In May 1994 the Diocese of Lincoln (Nebraska) agreed to pay Rob Butler, FKA Adam Butler, $40,000 after he claimed he was abused weekly for two years.(News Link)

Jury says Dallas diocese covered up priest’s actions. DALLAS (CNN) — The Roman Catholic Diocese of Dallas has been ordered to pay $119 million in damages to a group of former altar boys who say they were sexually abused over a 15-year period by a priest. (News Link)

 

ROME PAYS $110 MILLION TO SETTLE CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES IN IRELAND. The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland has agreed to pay  $110 million to avoid further sex scandal litigation. More than 20 priests and members of religious orders have already been convicted of molesting
children, and some estimate there could be as many as 3,000 sex abuse victims. (News Link)

 

TOTAL AMOUNT FROM THE SETTLEMENTS: 1, 010, 800, 000 (1 BILLION 10 MILLION 8 HUNDRED THOUSAND$$$$$) !!!

David McD : They are not rich, just look at the Sistine Chapel when it needed restoration the church couldn’t even pay!

Ibn Anwar : Yet, they have an excess of 1 billion dollars to spend on legal seetlements and fees for rape cases by priests and pastors?

David McD: *Gobsmacked*

 

We read from Time magazine US:

Bankers’ best guesses about the Vatican’s wealth put it at $10 billion to $15 billion. Of this wealth, Italian stockholdings alone run to $1.6 billion, 15% of the value of listed shares on the Italian market. The Vatican has big investments in banking, insurance, chemicals, steel, construction, real estate. Dividends help pay for Vatican expenses and charities such as assisting 1,500,000 children and providing some measure of food and clothing to 7,000,000 needy Italians. Unlike ordinary stockholders, the Vatican pays no taxes on this income, which led the leftist Rome weekly L’Espresso last week to call it “the biggest tax evader in Italy.” (Time Magazine Report)

Despite all these big monetary figures along with all the sex scandals the Pope had the cheek to make the following comment:

“The global financial crisis is proof that the pursuit of money and success is pointless, Pope Benedict XVI has told a meeting of bishops in Rome.

The head of the Roman Catholic Church said that the disappearance of money as banks collapsed showed that wealth meant “nothing”. ” (BBC News)

We further read on Chapter 10 of Avro manhattan’s The Vatican Billions:

 ”The Vatican has large investments with the Rothschilds of Britain, France and America, with the Hambros Bank, with the Credit Suisse in London and Zurich. In the United States it has large investments with the Morgan Bank, the Chase-Manhattan Bank, the First National Bank of New York, the Bankers Trust Company, and others. The Vatican has billions of shares in the most powerful international corporations such as Gulf Oil, Shell, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, General Electric, International Business Machines, T.W.A., etc. At a conservative estimate, these amount to more than 500 million dollars in the U.S.A. alone.

   “In a statement published in connection with a bond prospectus, the Boston archdiocese listed its assets at Six Hundred and Thirty-five Million ($635,891,004), which is 9.9 times its liabilities. This leaves a net worth of Five Hundred and Seventy-one million dollars ($571,704,953). It is not difficult to discover the truly astonishing wealth of the church, once we add the riches of the twenty-eight archdioceses and 122 dioceses of the U.S.A., some of which are even wealthier than that of Boston.”

These figures were revealed about 10 years ago and it has probably escalated exponentially since.

We also see the following table which is a most interesting find :

The Major property holdings of the Catholic Church are listed in the following table. The property investments are divided into visible property holdings and hidden property holdings.

Nation Catholics Visible Hidden
  (m) (US millions) (US millions)
United States 83.2 $ 50,179 $ 507,363
Germany 27.9 $ 29,783 $ 268,046
France 54.7 $ 28,245 $ 254,209
Italy 49.2 $ 23,096 $ 207,866
Brazil 150.3 $ 26,260 $ 168,260
Spain 37.1 $ 15,827 $ 142,440
Mexico 93.7 $ 21,147 $ 135,499
Belgium 7.8 $ 9,558 $ 96,643
Canada 12.8 $ 8,393 $ 84,864
Austria 6.0 $ 7,514 $ 75,979
Argentina 35.9 $ 9,550 $ 70,031
Poland 34.5 $ 8,906 $ 65,308
Colombia 38.9 $ 9,319 $ 59,710
Philippines 73.3 $ 8,999 $ 50,993
Ireland 3.5 $ 4,241 $ 42,879
Chile 14.8 $ 5,203 $ 38,153
Peru 25.4 $ 5,800 $ 32,866
Hungary 6.7 $ 4,033 $ 29,577
Netherlands 5.6 $ 3,343 $ 30,091
Portugal 9.9 $ 3,984 $ 29,220
Venezuela 24.6 $ 4,105 $ 23,263
Switzerland 3.4 $ 2,355 $ 23,808
United Kingdom 9.0 $ 2,395 $ 21,556
Australia 5.2 $ 1,871 $ 18,923

(Taken from here)

*As a matter of FACT, this phenomena is not a recent development or something new. One can trace back the hoarding of wealth by the Catholic Church for selfish ends to its early history. We need only read Geoffrey Chaucer’s magnum opus “The Canterbury Tails” written around the 1380′s wherein he details churchmen who con and deceive the common folk into emptying their pockets and spending their last farthings for the benefit of the church and its officers.

Conclusion: THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS INDEED VERY VERY RICH! Those who deny this FACT are stupid at worse and delusional or ignorant at best!

MONEY,MONEY MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!!!!!!!!!

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27 Responses to “Is the Catholic Church RICH or POOR?!?!”

  1. Alfesaani says:

    Nice article bro Ibn Anwar. I didn’t know the church paid so much money for legal settlements and business investments, very shocking indeed.What is interesting is that I have come across many christians who have used the success in terms of wealth accumulation by the west as an example of God favoring them and hence their claim that their religion is right. I always found it strange that such claims should come from the followers of a man who said; “My kingdom is no part of this world” and who said; “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”. Very strange people.

  2. conway23 says:

    I suppose it’s worth pointing out that there are 1.089 Catholics worldwide (as of May 2006) and that it is customary in the Judeo-Christian tradition for members to tithe (give parts of their income – 10% is a common figure) to the Church. It is voluntary, of course, not a tax and not everyone does it. Catholics ares 1/4 of the world’s population, and much of this money is then used to pay for orphanages, hospitals, hospices, schools, and other charitable organizations around the world. The Church is indeed a holder of vast real estate wealth – how could it be otherwise? If you run colleges, high schools, health clinics, nursing homes, hopisces and churches, it only makes sense to own property. And don’t forget that that Jesus Christ began this Church 2,000 years ago, so the Church has gained quite a bit of property(and lost much) in this time.

    Surely you wouldn’t be surprised to learn that a multi-national corporation like Toyota, had all kinds of investments, real estate holdings, wealth, etc? How else is one to do things in the real world? The world “catholic” means universal, and this is surely the universal Church; I can go to virtually every country on Earth and find a Catholic Church – this is not possible to say about with respect to Islam, Judaism or Buddhism.

    Certainly if your goal is to discredit the Catholic Church, and have people convert to Islam, you would be better served by promoting what is good about Islam, for there is much good in your religion, than by trying to prove that the Catholic Church is corrupt.

    It’s worth noting that the comment above by Alfesaani confuses fundamentalist Protestants with Catholics. Some fundamentalists preach the so-called “prosperity gospel,” where they confuse wealth with God’s favor. Well-instructed Catholics do not make this mistake. Jesus Christ is closet to those who are poor, who suffer and who are scorned by the world, hence the Church uses its wealth to help these people.

    I think in an ecumenical spirit it is worthy to debate ideas, compare doctrine, search for common ground, etc., but to attack another’s religion is of no help. You would probably agree with me that there is only one true religion in the world. I believe this to be the Catholicism. All men are equal in human dignity and deserving of respect, but certainly not all ideas or religions are equal. Truth, you would agree, cannot be distorted to make people comfortable.

    God Bless.

    • David Mumford says:

      I am a non-denominational Christian who was raised Catholic. I have left the church because I feel that thu are a money-grabbing corporation. I support them having the right to have money to keep their churches from going bankrupt and to maintain their arts, but have billions of dollars at their disposal and much invested in corporations. It’s less about their message and more about their power. I do not have a problem with God but I have a problem with the secular body in His name.

  3. Ibn Anwar says:

    Greetings,
    You said:
    “I suppose it’s worth pointing out that there are 1.089 Catholics worldwide (as of May 2006) and that it is customary in the Judeo-Christian tradition for members to tithe (give parts of their income – 10% is a common figure) to the Church. It is voluntary, of course, not a tax and not everyone does it.”

    Sir, in the article we see that the wealth of the Catholic church are garnered through such means as “banking,insurance, chemicals, steel, construction, real estate.” Did we mention tithing? I don’t think so.

    We also read the following, “The Vatican has billions of shares in the most powerful international corporations such as Gulf Oil, Shell, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, General Electric, International Business Machines, T.W.A., etc. At a conservative estimate, these amount to more than 500 million dollars in the U.S.A. alone.”

    We also read the following, ““In a statement published in connection with a bond prospectus, the Boston archdiocese listed its assets at Six Hundred and Thirty-five Million ($635,891,004), which is 9.9 times its liabilities. This leaves a net worth of Five Hundred and Seventy-one million dollars ($571,704,953).”

    So, basically, the wealth are gained via business and not tithing.

    You then made the following statement:
    “And don’t forget that that Jesus Christ began this Church 2,000 years ago, so the Church has gained quite a bit of property(and lost much) in this time.”

    Jesus did not begin any church. When he preached it was either in behind closed doors, in the public or within the premises of the synagogue. As a matter of fact we now know that the early followers of Jesus never built a separate church from the synagogue. The followers of Jesus continued to attend the temples and were considered a sect within Judaism and not a new religion.

    You then said:
    “Certainly if your goal is to discredit the Catholic Church, and have people convert to Islam, you would be better served by promoting what is good about Islam, for there is much good in your religion, than by trying to prove that the Catholic Church is corrupt.”

    Well, I can understand where you’re coming from. Your religion and beloved priests are getting exposed..feelings of nervousness and frustration are appreciated : ). The reason why I wrote the article was because I was getting tired of Catholics going around denying that the Catholic Church and the Vatican is not rich when as we have proven in the article much to your discomfort that it truly is. Perhaps you’d like to share with us the costs of all those peagantry and pomp of the Church and the official wardrobe of the Pope and the bishops. How do you reconcile this in light of Jesus teaching people to sell their garments. We have PROVEN that the Church is wealthy and how do you reconcile this in light of:

    “Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you
    possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21)

    “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” (Matthew19:24)

    You then made this callous statement:
    “Jesus Christ is closet to those who are poor, who suffer and who are scorned by the world, hence the Church uses its wealth to help these people. ”

    Yes, we see how the Catholic church spends its wealth in helping people in the article and we shall reproduce them here:
    January 15, 2007 Diocese of Charleston Bishop Robert J. Baker agreed to pay $12 million to settle numerous cases concerning abuse by priests.(News Link)

    In December 2006 the Archdiocese of Los Angeles (its archbishop was Roger Cardinal Mahony) agreed to a payout of $60 million to settle 45 of the over 500 pending cases concerning abuse by priests.(News Link)

    In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles agreed to pay a $660 million settlement to hundreds of people who claimed to have been abused by clergy. (News Link)

    In September 2003 the Archdiocese of Boston agreed to pay out $85 million to 552 victims.(News Link)

    In 1997 the Diocese of Dallas negotiated a $31 million settlement with victims.(News Link)

    In June 2003 the Archdiocese of Louisville made a $25.7 million settlement involving 240 victims of sexual abuse.(News Link)

    On January 3, 2005 Bishop Tod Brown of the Diocese of Orange apologized to 87 alleged victims of sexual abuse and announced a settlement of $100 million following two years of mediation.(News Link)

    In December 2006 the Diocese of Phoenix agreed to pay $100,000 to William Cesolini, who claimed he was sexually assaulted as a teenager by a priest.(News Link)

    Jury says Dallas diocese covered up priest’s actions. DALLAS (CNN) — The Roman Catholic Diocese of Dallas has been ordered to pay $119 million in damages to a group of former altar boys who say they were sexually abused over a 15-year period by a priest. (News Link)

    ROME PAYS $110 MILLION TO SETTLE CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES IN IRELAND. The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland has agreed to pay $110 million to avoid further sex scandal litigation. More than 20 priests and members of religious orders have already been convicted of molesting
    children, and some estimate there could be as many as 3,000 sex abuse victims. (News Link)

    TOTAL AMOUNT FROM THE SETTLEMENTS: 1, 010, 800, 000 (1 BILLION 10 MILLION 8 HUNDRED THOUSAND$$$$$) !!!

    And what did Jesus say?
    “By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”(Matthew 7:16)

    One can only imagine how many choir boys have been molested and raped by church officers throughout history.

  4. conway23 says:

    I can see that somehow this is an important issue to you. So the Catholic Church has great wealth, why is this wrong or somehow a contradiction of Christian values?

    If you wish to help the poor, you need money. If you wish to build schools, universities and hospitals, you need money.

    I must admit I do not have any facts on what investments or assets the Catholic Church has – so I’ll assume your figures are correct. I suppose my question is this: what is the point of your comments? It is not a sin to have financial investments of any kind, and although Catholics understand the spiritual reality of the Church as the mystical body of Christ, we also understand that the Church is in the temporal world and must operate within the same financial realities as other organizations, corporations and agencies, so investing money to make more money appears to be prudent.

    Thanks for the discussion and God Bless.

  5. Ibn Anwar says:

    Greetings,
    Yes, exposing liars and the truth is indeed something important. As I have explained in the article and in my response to you the reason why I published this article is because I am tired of reading and listening to catholics peddling the lie that the Catholic Church is not wealthy and rich. I congratulate you for being one of the few Catholics who actually admit that the church is rich as you said,”So the Catholic Church has great wealth, why is this wrong or somehow a contradiction of Christian values?” I find it distasteful when men like David McD who runs http://www.davidmcd.com a site dedicated to Catholic propagation spew lies and propaganda to fool the uninformed. I’m tired of hearing the catholics like the Pope saying rather hypocritically:
    “The global financial crisis is proof that the pursuit of money and success is pointless, Pope Benedict XVI has told a meeting of bishops in Rome.”
    When they themselves are pursuing that very thing which they condemn. Can you imagine someone driving a mercedes, which the Pope does and many other bishops as well saying to people don’t spend unnecessarily on worldly luxury, yet they are doing the very thing which they’re prohibiting? lol…this is the point of the article..to expose “prophets who come in sheep’s clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves”.

    You repeated the same thing again saying,”If you wish to help the poor, you need money. If you wish to build schools, universities and hospitals, you need money.”

    Yes, the Catholic Church does NEED the money. But, not exactly for charity BUT RATHER :
    January 15, 2007 Diocese of Charleston Bishop Robert J. Baker agreed to pay $12 million to settle numerous cases concerning abuse by priests.(News Link)

    In December 2006 the Archdiocese of Los Angeles (its archbishop was Roger Cardinal Mahony) agreed to a payout of $60 million to settle 45 of the over 500 pending cases concerning abuse by priests.(News Link)

    In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles agreed to pay a $660 million settlement to hundreds of people who claimed to have been abused by clergy. (News Link)

    In September 2003 the Archdiocese of Boston agreed to pay out $85 million to 552 victims.(News Link)

    In 1997 the Diocese of Dallas negotiated a $31 million settlement with victims.(News Link)

    In June 2003 the Archdiocese of Louisville made a $25.7 million settlement involving 240 victims of sexual abuse.(News Link)

    On January 3, 2005 Bishop Tod Brown of the Diocese of Orange apologized to 87 alleged victims of sexual abuse and announced a settlement of $100 million following two years of mediation.(News Link)

    In December 2006 the Diocese of Phoenix agreed to pay $100,000 to William Cesolini, who claimed he was sexually assaulted as a teenager by a priest.(News Link)

    Jury says Dallas diocese covered up priest’s actions. DALLAS (CNN) — The Roman Catholic Diocese of Dallas has been ordered to pay $119 million in damages to a group of former altar boys who say they were sexually abused over a 15-year period by a priest. (News Link)

    ROME PAYS $110 MILLION TO SETTLE CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES IN IRELAND. The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland has agreed to pay $110 million to avoid further sex scandal litigation. More than 20 priests and members of religious orders have already been convicted of molesting
    children, and some estimate there could be as many as 3,000 sex abuse victims. (News Link)

    TOTAL AMOUNT FROM THE SETTLEMENTS: 1, 010, 800, 000 (1 BILLION 10 MILLION 8 HUNDRED THOUSAND$$$$$) !!!

    BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT ON CASES WHERE CHURCH MINISTERS AND PRIESTS ORDAINED BY THE CHURCH SUPPOSEDLY STARTED BY JESUS WHO MOLEST AND RAPE CHOIR BOYS AND THE AMOUNT KEEPS ADDING UP EACH PASSING YEAR AND SO DOES THE BODY COUNT OF KIDS WHO ARE RAPED AND RAVISHED BY THEIR CHURCH TEACHERS!! Can you not comprehend the predicament? And what did your master Jesus say?

    “By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”(Matthew 7:16)

    I’m judging the Church by its fruits by looking at its history from beginning to now and I see a tree who’s fruit are mostly ROTTEN and worm infested!

  6. Alfesaani says:

    Conway23, you are right, money is needed for investements which ultimately go for the welfare of the poor and needy. But in your posts you did not respond to the millions of dollars that were paid by the church after abusing people sexually, and as bro Ibn Anwar pointed out thats the main point here. Now don’t tell us that priests abuse people so they can get paid later as a form of charity!

  7. Paulo says:

    The Roman Catholic Church is very rich in things of this world, but unhappyly is very poor is the things pertaining to God.

  8. Ronnie says:

    weak posting
    how does this unveil chirstianty?
    this shows how desperat u are to attack the religion of truth from ur lord al mighty.
    weak try indeed

  9. Ibn Anwar says:

    Greetings,
    After long last, you return, though, not in a manner I’d have expected. This is your second negative comment with the word “weak” in it. Do you recall your comment on another article called “Is John the Baptist the last prophet”? I’m still waiting for your response. According to Bfoali you admitted defeat and couldn’t muster any logical response. Are you only able to call people “weak” instead of actually indulging in a conversation or discussion with them?
    With regards to this article. Well, Christians go around in a high and mighty sort of way thinking they’re superior in piety than others and play the “holier than thou” game all the time(this is what i’ve experienced personally in the years I spent debating and having dialogues with Christians). This and other such articles are meant to puncture those false saints and allow the hot air to seep out. It is meant to show them that they are not as good or even perfect as they might try to imagine. Secondly, if it is true that the Catholic church is rich and have hoarded wealth for selfish ends as well as spending it on things like legal cases to settle rape and molestation offenses committed by their clergy then according to the verses pointed out at the beginning of the article this institution has nothing to do with God. In other words…it is false. If that is so, then over a thousand years of Christian history have been nothing more than a fairy tale and those who continue to cling to this instituon called the Catholic Church are following nothing but lies and falsehood. Then there goes 1.1 billion CHristians from the equation leaving you with only about 800 million or so(non-Catholics). So, it does unveil Christianity and it is far from a “weak attempt”. THank you.

  10. Ronnie says:

    intersting, first off u either are senile, or an idiot, i commented on ur article regardfing the risen saints, not on john the baptist. the reson i did not comment, was cuz, u never adressed any of my opints, u ran around like a rat does when he sees a cat, i found no responses nesceary and im sure the readers will be able to see that them selves. your articles are weak and pointless,
    dont expect me to waste time with ammature muslims such are ur self

  11. Ibn Anwar says:

    GReetings,
    Thank you so much for sharing with us your Sam Shamoun like behaviour. Very Christian charitable like : ). I apologise for making that error concerning which article you commented on. I had the Catholic guy conway in my mind when I was writing the comment. It was an honest mistake. I think it is safe to say that you’re a bit frustrated that you can’t muster reasonable and logical responses to the points I brought up both here and under the article of “Will the sains in Matthew please stand up”. I don’t think I ran around like “a rat” as you put it. I believe I responded to every single point you asserted to the last detail. Far from being weak according to your friend Bfoali you told him that the response was too much for you to handle(paraphrase). Alhamdulillah, the peddlers of falsehood get refuted every time.

  12. Ali Hodroje says:

    Sallam,
    I have to say Ronnie that your behaviour here has been totally unnecessary and totally un Christian like. Your first post you posted on this blog was a great post with good points and I thought that this could have been a start to a healthy discussion(s).
    Its one thing to not comment, its another thing to comment with negativity. I only pray that one day you learn some respect and you wise up a little bit, before you post a comment on a very respected website.
    Walikum Salam Wr Wb

  13. Look at the facts? says:

    Look at the facts, despite non-Christians rubbishing the accounts and investments of the Roman Catholic Church I am an Anglican, but still defend the stance of the RCC. Any organisation that spans the globe and employs a massive amount of clergy etc would require massive amounts of investment and wealth do simply run it…Other agencies (i.e. Security services, administrators etc) do not undertake work for free simply because it is a church. Blame capitalism not religion! If the Church has been doing creative banking…well I would love to see the accounts of the major banks and businesses throughout the world and see if they are squeaky clean? If the church had zero, would it function…answer NO! There is nothing wrong in having saving and saving them for a ‘rainy day’ as we say in England. As I finish all I can simply say is all non-believers or ‘atheists’ ARE believers and just rubbish the church because they have no guts to admit they do believe in SOMETHING if not in the father or Jesus Christ!

    Enuf said!!

  14. Henry Heinzmann says:

    You have enumerated the great assets of the Catholic church. Do you have data about the church’s liabilities, beyond the settlements to abuse victims, which you have already tallied? It must cost billions to operate schools,colleges, hospitals, orphanages, soup kitchens etc. as well as provide upkeep for churches, rectories and convents.

  15. holy ghost says:

    catholic churches true object of worship: money

  16. Greg says:

    I am not religeous at all. I was raised in The Catholic Church and The Kingdom Hall after that and I learned enough to know it’s all bogus and unfounded. There is no proof of any of the so called “Christian religions”. There is no link between us and monkeys or apes either and this has been proven. Even Charles Darwin himself proved his own theory of evolution false and admitted it. All churches are out for money and power. End of story! It’s all made up for money and power! We were put here by something obviously, but nobody knows how. There’s no proof of aliens, God, Jesus, evolution or any other. I have to agree that Catholics have a problem with molesting kids and trying to cover it up, but more importantly, they know it’s all a scam and they continue because of the money and power. Of all the so called “Christian” religions, Catholics are the worst at following their own doctrine. Just one example… God said call none other than God the Father and all preists expect you to call them Father lol… I have a long list of these obvious screw ups.

  17. josehine abadi says:

    Catholics are human beings, whatever be the vices and shortcomings of the catholic church is found in all other religions, sects, congregations and so on………..you can all say whatever you like, the catholic church is the true church of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ, the son of the Almighty God, the I AM , the God who created us, heaven and earth

    • mrk says:

      “the son of the Almighty God, the I AM , the God who created us, heaven and earth”

      you’re making your god look like a moran. in their synagoues you assume he taught that he is yhwh and then said he is going to get his behind handed to him by pagan romans who would hang his meat on a stick?

      don’t you think that jews would think that the moron god you worship needs psyciatric help

      “this mojo needs serious help”

      ?

      • mrk says:

        “the catholic church is the true church of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ”

        i know it is older than the bastard breed called protestant christianity but you see BULL thinks that you’re a pagan heretic and worship mary.YOU know i agree with catholics about making mary sinless
        the boy you made into a god, but the mum who picked him up , delivered him, gave him bottle of milk, took him to the shops isn’t a god? what blasphemy the protestant christians utter. mary must be a god , according to nur al mushrik mary delivery canal became PURE. this means that there must be some kind of divinity in mary.
        note the hypocrisy between protestant christians ATTACKS on catholics? they use thier gods HUMAN 100 PERCENT CREATED FLESH AND BLOOD AS AN intermediary (A WILL NEEDS FLESH TO CARRY OUT ACTIONS) yet they accuse you guys of IDOLATRY when you use mary as an intermediary.

  18. truth says:

    It’s “The Eye of the Needle”, not the eye of a needle. It’s a place, a crevice where people avoided travelling around a mountain by starving their camels and greasing them up to fit through the eye of THE needle. Since you don’t even know that, I don’t trust anything you have to say and you have a lot of details that I wonder about their accuracy. Good luck :P

    • Ibn Anwar says:

      The verse reads as follows, “πάλιν δὲ λέγω ὑμῖν, εὐκοπώτερον ἐστιν κάμηλον διὰ τρήματος ῥαφίδος εἰσελθεῖν ἢ πλούσιον εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ.” There is no definite article before ῥαφίδος(needle). You have no clue what you’re talking about. I have the Revised Standard Version, the English Standard Version, the New International Version, the New American Standard Version, the Jerusalem Bible etc. They all translate it as ,”the eye of a needle”. That nonsense about a geographical location called “the eye of a needle” is a baseless assumption on the part of half-baked Bible thumpers. There isn’t a single shred of evidence contemporaneous to Jesus about a place called “the eye of a needle”. Try again Truth..or shall I say False? haha

  19. truth says:

    Keep telling yourself that :P It’s on maps lol dork

    • Ibn Anwar says:

      Go on and name one map from Jesus’ time if you can. I wager that you cannot. The New Jerome Biblical Commentary says, “camel through the eye of a needle: This is an extreme Oriental exaggeration, a colorful image for an insuperable difficulty.” (Viviano, B. T. (Viviano, B. T. (1990). The Gospel According to Matthew. In Raymond E. Brown, Joseph A. Fitzmyer & Roland E. Murphy (Eds.), The New Jerome Biblical Commentary. New Jersey: Prentice Hall. pp. 663). I have already clearly proven you wrong when you claimed that the phrase is actually “the eye of the needle” with the definite article before needle by producing the original Koine Greek. You haven’t a leg to stand on.

  20. truth says:

    I’m finished with you trying to make yourself sound intelligent and wise. You’re a tard. You have no idea how much money the Catholics have hidden. I agree with you that all religions are scams to make money and I add that there is no proof anywhere showing anything in The Bible or even the Koran is true. The books were written by men and there are lots of far fetched fairytales in both that can’t and won’t be proven. Does God exist? Nobody knows and nobody will ever know, but people will continue to make up s#!@ as long as there’s money to be made. The Bible was changed repeatedly even before the “Dark Ages”. Basically, there is nothing in any of todays Bibles that is original. There are no copies of The Bible from before the Dark Ages because they were all destroyed and the Catholics saved the only remaining scrolls which have been previously manipulated. There are no copies of the original scriptures from before the Dark Ages, so it’s all garbage anyway. The Eye of The Needle doesn’t matter because of all this. If The Bible were true, God wouldn’t have allowed all the changes that men made to it. It’s all just a scam to make money just as fortune tellers are fake. Everyone is out to scam as much money from people no matter the cost

  21. levi says:

    you gave us informations and make some shallow conclusions only to discredit the catholic church. you should bear in mind that every diocese, to some extent is independent particularly on financial matter and not necessarily owned by the vatican. instill this in your mind! if you are promoting your religion, just simply live up the teachings of your religion. perhaps you are a bit envious with the blessings God has poured out to his people. and please tell your leaders of your religion to allow religious freedom in the muslim countries so that we will know what real the religion that really comes from God or made by man alone. in many catholic countries in the world we allow the muslims to practice their relgious beliefs. but look many muslim countries in the world allow only islam but other religon?—NO WAY! COME TO THINK OF IT! so let the freedom of religion reigns so that we will really know the will of God and not the will of man. in that way, many will be liberated from the quagmire of ignorance and blind obedience.

    • Ibn Anwar says:

      Is any particular diocese not part of the Catholic church? Did I make the claim that only the Vatican is rich in the above article? No, in fact you have produced not a single rebuttal against the data provided in the article because they’re factual. Now you’re crying like a bashful maiden who has lost her purse. Catholic countries? What do you mean by Catholic countries? There is no such thing as a Catholic country except perhaps for the Vatican. All those countrie you’re referring to are secular and are governed by secular laws where there is the idea of separation of Church from State. When the Catholics actually ruled countries with Catholic mentality non-believers were not tolerated. They were persecuted and killed which is evident throughout history. Muslim history shows the magnanimity of its leaders that is those who adhered to the teachings of Ilam such as the second Khalifah Umar r.a.:
      ‘This is the covenant of security from the servant of God, Umar, the Comamander of the Faithful, to the people of Jerusalem. He grants them security in their lives, properties, churches, crucifixes and to their ill and to their healthy and their entire religious community. Their churches are not to be occupied, demolished or decreased in number. Their churches or crucifixes should not be desecrated, or anything else of their property. They are not to be coerced to abandon their faith, and no one amongst them is to be harmed in any way. And none of the Jews are to reside with them in Jerusalem [due to the severe enmity between them in those days].’ (al-Tabari, Tarikh wal muluk, 2:449)

      Imam Abu Bakr al-Jassas quotes Hasan al-Basri r.a. who said :
      ‘God uses the believers as a means of preventing the destruction of the places of worship belonging to the non-Muslim citizens.’ (Abu Bakr al-Jassas, Ahkam al-Qur’an, 5:83)

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