Is there a last prophet in the Bible?
by Ibn Anwar
I was having a discussion with a Christian on paltalk today by the nick name LoveCryReason about Islam and whether it’s a true religion or not. He questioned the legitimacy of Muhammad’s s.a.w. prophethood based on his understanding of Matthew 11:13 which according to him says that there will be no prophet after John the Baptist. The Christian evangelist VenomFangX also shares a similar notion. Is this a correct position to take?
“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.” (Matthew 11:13)
If the verse means what LoveCryReason says i.e. no other prophet shall arise after John the Baptist then such a position will contradict the following:
“And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.”(Matthew 21:11)
Jesus came after john the Baptist and is indeed a Prophet as confirmed by the above verse. If the verse is true then how can John the Baptist be regarded as the last prophet and no other shall come after him? Further more, we read of a test to determine a true prophet from a false one in 1 John. If there was no prophet to come how then can you have such a measurement or test which was given much later after both John and Jesus. Thus we read:
“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize God’s Spirit: Every person who declares that Jesus Christ has come as a human has the Spirit that is from God. But every person who doesn’t declare that Jesus Christ has come as a human has a spirit that isn’t from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist that you have heard is coming. That spirit is already in the world.” (1 John 4:1-3)
The verses tell us that a true spirit is a true prophet and a false spirit is a false prophet. To determine a true spirit from a false spirit see whether they declare that Jesus is Christ who has come as a human. Clearly, the passage is in the future tense. By the way according to the test Muhammad is indeed a spirit from God i.e. a true Prophet as he time and again declares that Jesus is the Christ who was a messenger of God.
In addition, we are informed by Wesley’s Bible commentary that:
“11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John – For all that is written in the law and the prophets only foretold as distant what is now fulfilled. In John the old dispensation expired, and the new began. Luke 16:16.”
The Geneva study Bible says about the verse:
“(d) They prophesied of things to come, which are now present, and clearly and plainly seen.”
In fact, none of the major commentaries which I went through including Matthew Henry’s say anything about John the Baptist being the final prophet and none other shall come after him. LoveCryReason is clearly mistaken and needs to recant.
About five minutes ago I had another encounter with LoveCryReason, at long last! After evading me for so long it’s good to hear from him. He had a debate with a brother in a room under the Human Rights, Social Issues section called oO The Great Debate Quran or Bible Oo. Unfortunately, I missed it and came in about 2 two hours late. Brother Bfoali(a good friend of mine) was the one who informed me about the debate:
u missed a debate
in the quran room
u’re no fun anymore : (
quran or bible
u haven’t commented
issa al muslim verses lovingcryparadise
something about the trinity
that name seems familiar
i think he’s the same guy as lovecryreason
the one i wrote about
maybe that was him
mabe that was him
i tihnk it was
it was ur guy
So, after that I started posting the link to this article in the room claiming that LoveCryReason does not really know his Bible. LoveCryReason returned to the room at the most opportuned moment and saw my posting and so our discussion in pm(priivate message) commenced.
*Notice how he tries to deny that we ever had the discussion and when I proved it to him, he attempted to change his position, but I cornered him on that too and he just kept beating around the bush before running away once again!
may I ask who wrote that artice because I do not recall that conversation.
have u already forgotten me?
u’ve been evading me since
i never made a discussion with you.
yes, you have
about that topic.
u claimed that John the Baptist is the last prophet
several weeks ago
when did i state this?
can u pull up the conversation?
when we had the discussion
u’re in denial now
or you have really poor memory
it was before Nov 11
or around that time
appealing to ridicule.
i wrote the article almost immediately after we discussed
did u save the convo?
i don’t think i did..i usually do
as u can see
with my discussions
with other christians like fares
published on the blog as well
i did save it
can u send me the convo
LoveCryReason: what is up, i am still in my room
Dr Onomatopoeia: yea
Dr Onomatopoeia: i hope u don’t still believe the verse says what u think it says
Dr Onomatopoeia: : p
Dr Onomatopoeia: i’ve just completed an article
Dr Onomatopoeia: on the issue
LoveCryReason: we have to discuss it another time.
Dr Onomatopoeia: you can always drop by our site
Dr Onomatopoeia: and share with us your thoughts
Dr Onomatopoeia: i personally have conversed with dozens of missionaries and christian theologians
Dr Onomatopoeia: including around 5 ordained pastors and a theologian John Fraiser M.Div.
Dr Onomatopoeia: recorded on the site
Dr Onomatopoeia: so, whenever you’re free
Dr Onomatopoeia: give us a ring in the comment section
Dr Onomatopoeia: ; )
we were discussing on mic
after which i wrote the article
when u had to leave
or rather i had to leave
and then when i came back
u were in another room
discussing about mormonism
mice in the chat room or pm?
and i went to that room
and i asked you if you’d like to continue the discussion about ur claim that john the baptist is the last prophet
and u denied
saying u’re busy
i asked u several times
the following days
again and again
still don’t remember?
u still wanna deny?
hmm I dont recall but if I did i can defend my position in what I meant by the Last prophet if you are at all interested in hearing what I have to say or you still want to obtain your bias and ridicule christians and make them look bad.
the article is posted
and u’re more than free to clarify
read my articles
i don’t shy away from christian criticism
every single one of them fled the scene
then the error is with you because u did not understand the concept I was making but instead picking biasly.
including that catholic guy conway
who tried to defend ur position
LoveCryReason…you made it explicitly clear that John the Baptist is the last prophet and there shall be no other after him
we were discussing about Muhammad s.a..w
Muhammad could not be a prophet
since the line of prophethood ended with John the Baptist
S.a..w what does that mean?
and you gave me the verse from Matthew
stop beating around the bush love
i am not a newbie
i am more than familiar with Christian arguments
u are not the only Christian who thinks John the Baptist is the last prophet
as u can see in the comment section
the catholic christian conway
shares ur position
i also mention venomfangx in the article
he also shares that view
as i have heard him before
so, stop beating around the bush LoveCryReason
i don’t forget things so easily
and i am very familiar with Christian gymnastics
in my saying that he was the last prophet it was talking about revelations. No new prophet will give revelations.
was Jesus given revelation?
brand new revelations*
yes, he was
he brought new teachings
he brought the teaching about turning the other cheek instead of an eye for an eye
do not forget Jesus received commandments from the Father
In scripture Jesus was called a prophet alot of other things. In the christian world View He was counted more then a prophet.
as he so explicitly mentions in the Gospels
that’s not the point
the point is he was a prophet
and received revelation
you’re saying John the Baptist was the last
and no revelation after him
yet, i’m showing you now
that Jesus did receive revelation
yes but its not necessarily clear to say that he was just aprophet because he was more. John was just a prophet.
and this was AFTER John the Baptist
now, you are again beating around the bush
it’s not about just a prophet or more than a prophet
Jesus did not recieve revelation but he gave revelation because Christian world view declares him as God.
it’s about ur claim that John the Baptist is the last prophet
and that revelation ended with him
“my teaching is not my own”
continue the verse please
this is why u do not understand. But if you want leave the article up their. It just appeals to ridicule and spite.
this discussion we’re having right now
will be published in the article
for all to see
go and do what u want.
once again..you are more than welcome to comment on the article
bring ur scholars
it’s open for you to comment
it’s about you after all
go do what u want
Continued about 10 minutes later:
*The above discussion is the raw material which I have not edited nor changed in any way. For the sake of brevity I will not add the print screen shots of the discussion. However, if you’d like me to send them to you as PROOF that the discussion took place and I have not changed anything please do e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org and request for it. Thanks.
may I ask you a question?
what makes you think you may not?
u should read my written debate with the Christian theologian John Fraiser M.Div.
that was good
what is your agenda in proclaiming in which you find faults with my arguments?
my agenda is simple
and i’ve been in the field for 5 years
well, almost 6 now
so how are u exposing me?
tried to defend ur position
he has fled the scene
like all the other christians
scholar and lay alike
You are demanding irationality.
irrationality is saying Jesus is God and making dogmatic claims that is not supported by your own scripture
because me not arguing necessarily disproves my position? Yes or no and by this answer I can judge what kind of reasoning skills you use.
go to the updated article
and defend ur positition in the comment section
take the whole day to compose ur arguments
if you need to
u cant answer my question then I will block you.
that will just prove my point
christians flee when they are cornered
say as u will.
according to your master Paulk
u cannot be silent
you must PROVE
as he says in 1 Thessalonians ” PROVE ALL THINGS “
so ur question is moot
u need to read ur scriptures more : )
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